There are evil people who look like good people. Only much later did I recall, for instance, my pastor condemning those gossip bloggers who were trying to tear down the church which is how I first found this blog. To get them on the defensive? Trust me, Willow Creek has nothing to do with whether I follow Jesus or not. Or suddenly you find out 2-3 (and later 7 or more) women have had similar experiences. @ Barbara Roberts: Now it seems we have a culture of corruption at Willow Creek from the Top-Down. The Body does not put its faith in humans, even celebrity ones. Have you any clue how prideful this sounds? How to build a corporation in 5 easy steps. Thats only whats been reported. You tell your kids That was wrong. Having seen some of the comments by WCC supporters left at TWW, I can imagine the pressure and pain that she has had to face with her account. I was contemplating a megachurch model the other day where teaching pastors had term limits or rotating speakers. Hybels is a BS artist and a skilled speaker but also friends with very unrighteous people. Its YOUR money they use. Why is Willow Creek exempt? Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. Lynne Hybels and Bill Hybels have two grown children, Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels, and one son-in-law, Aaron Niequist.. I wonder when the above reproach inspectors will engage and be welcome with open arms; they may want to hurry, as its reached the secular media, and theyre not too focused on 1 Peter 4:8. Think about it. There is more to this story. @ Barbara Roberts: Things add up all too well, sadly. Because your mind tells you this particular man YOU KNOW would never so you must be misjudging. And dont forget: While still being married, Stephany accidentally reconnects with a former lover, who is hideously ugly and struggling nancially. Ok, So Nancy Ortberg was fondled, hugged, touched. The difference is the internet makes it much harder to try to shame each of us in person individually.. Blogs such as WW are an encouragement to me. I love Diane Langberg. Lydia, many have long suggested such things, but are officially scoffed at and rejected as conspiracists. I think Hybels and Billy Graham lost their beliefs somewhere along the way maybe they never really had them. A few years ago, I posted The Aurora byTerjeSorgjerd. The new lead pastor discounts the claims of the betrayed and encourages the women of the church to believe differently. * Scripture does not discuss it that way. Maybe He is cleaning house. Sadly, I feel confident that this has not infrequently been engineered by the profiteers running these circus-show churches. Thanks, Julie! If she ever blew the whistle on his evil-doing, he had prepared in advance the excuse he would give to the elders in his church: I had taken Ambien! BTW, one of the drawbacks with the current format is we dont even see recent comments from older threads. @ Davis and Natasha: There are evil people who look like good people. 1 comment about arms Thats what she thinks is comparable? I dont see how Willow Creek can move forward with the existing board. It has been posted several times. In the fallout of Hybels's departure over sexual misconduct allegations, the esteemed megachurch lost other top leaders: The church's elders, as well as Steve Carter and Heather Larson, who were. If I were a member, I would call for a complete replacement. Did her husband ask her not to say anything for FEAR of losing his job? No one walks away unascathed. The existence of an impartial documented history of 2 years worth of 1150 emails between Bill and the other woman is stark corroboration. NB If anything uncomfortable happens again I will be saying something clearly to him & asking him to mind his manners. Its the attempt by pastors to do life together and facilitate relationship-building which will then hopefully anchor the visitor to the church and reduce dropouts and increase retention rates. The church isnt being destroyed. This is VERY common. So much emphasis on good works at home & abroad, what about treating your brothers & sisters in leadership with respect that comes from a relationship w/ Christ. I mean, it makes for good gossip too. some Rabbi from Nazareth. Having been a nurse, I told him I found it rather odd that he was focusing on one of the more rare side effects, and that he brought it up to me at all. So, what led to the divorce? Just think what you could do with a well placed suggestion after taking Ambien. And thats how you end up with an entire institution being transformed in a little over two decades. Still not handled. Four-One-Nine just a Game The Spirit does the work: both in the calling and in the conversion. (Big clue there, folks) And people will do that by making the others, worse. I, like so many others a tragic victim of corrupted Christianity. So much! Think carefully. There were people in the main office just outside the tutoring office where I worked with students. Of course, some people, probably many people, will do things just for politeness sake. Our job is to sow seeds. This includes a majority Christian circle. Enough has been said about BH for him to be disqualified in my book, and given how Williow Creek model was push on much of christainity, we are all well within the commands of the NT to exhibit judgement and wisdom if want, we can start playing the verse naming game if you wish. Ephesians 4:2 Im probably talking to the air, though, because hit-and-run scolds like you seldom have the courage to come back. Its called passive aggressive and deflection. Really? Very true, and far too common: Jerry Sandusky, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, Dr. Larry Nassar, Bill Hybels. I think people are starting to realize that even if someone starts out with good intentions, when they get power and money, they tend to be corrupted. after the perps death before she told anyone. And if it gets really bad the staunch hybels factions may end up being ousted. Be the one who is loving and kind in the midst of sorrow, showing us that you trust Jesus to bring something beautiful out of this pain. Watch and youll see it some day! Im not saying any of that is right. My former abusive, cultish and abuser-friendly church was positively obsessed with unity. The pastor preached on it continually. Russ Moore agrees with you. Try to respond like Jesus might and you will be let through. To teach Nancy a lesson with deflection? that their chief goal is to get their sexual needs met without negotiation. That statement should never have been sent out and hasnt been corrected to this day! Everything is about Conformity today. @ #UnbiblicalPaths: That seems inappropriate. Looks like THAT Joseph Smith (the founding couple) were lucky enough to have a Brigham Young (the board) to succeed them. The Holy Spirit, as Dee correctly said, does the work. (In a related relevant situation, wasnt it the tech department that noticed irregularities with messaging from Tullian Tchividjian to women that directly led to the disclosure of his misconduct?). @ dee: So, why were Hybels emails so important that they had to be deleted? Barton co-authored with John Ortberg Ordinary Day With Jesus, which clearly instructs readers in mystical prayer practices. This writing clearly shows John Ortbergs sympathies to this New Age spirituality. IM HEIR TO HIS THRONE! This is MBA stuff. And Im 49, a loudmouth, professionally trained in safeguarding& so on. I will keep the website updated. Later I did not know how or who to talk to and began to second-guess and doubt myself as to its significance; that is, until years later when I began to hear stories of other similar encounters. I think it compounds the problem when so many mega churches are unaffiliated with a denomination and/or have sprung up and had only ONE pastor (or lead pastor) for their entire church history. Ah, the broad-brush accusation of slamming the Church when actions of their leadership are called into question. This makes my blood boil. They need to do some reading. If he is sincere about his reasons for retiring early, make a very public statement for people to knock it off and let him go away quietly. Ambien or the Devil it is always Something/one Elses Fault. @WillowCreekCC. Sam Powell and Jeff Crippen who are a pastor who *get it* about abuse. How can this stand unchallenged? I also freely admit to hugging my cat till she meows at me to let her down. I guess Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus then. It occurred shortly after she had divorced her first husband. Willow Creek does not need a *incredible* leader. Bill Hybels is human and who are we to judge? If you all think that personal shopping is sex abuse, you need to get real. Ive told her about the many intelligent comments here! How to Resign from a Church I am all for systemic analysis and the big-picture view. I agree!! there was no hostile work environment attached. Hybels, the influential founder and pastor Willow Creek, resigned in April 2018 after 42 years leading the church. No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. Personally I was more offended by Wailing Wall-Satanic ritual connection. This was a joke which proved how few people at WCC understand sexual harassment. I outlined above the typical reasons people dont mention uncomfortable incidents with someone they trust or admire. I found Jodie Walle comments very interesting, and did help me to understand the culture. Fine, however, increased accountability comes with this. If any Pastor asked me to have a private, evening chat about leadership I would have looked like a leaf trembling in the wind. It creates an incredible amount of cognitive dissonance. And I promise: NO ONE was ever saved, in all history, because of eloquence. Bingo. Brad, for better or worse, you are an example of the average WCC person to me. ISBN13: 9780310533719 Release Date: June 1993 Publisher: Zondervan Length: 240 Pages Weight: 0.40 lbs. And I never understood why Hybels did not step down when his wife (Lynne) had a HUGE crisis of faith. Leaders who are ambassadors for Christ can cause crises of faith when they break the 3rd Commandment Thou shall not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain. He didnt seem to follow Yahwehs rules much anyway. The founding couple died, and the board got rid of those naughty kids and grandkids. Stunned, I finally slipped my arms up between us and pushed him away. I think there can be a benefit when many people have a genuine need for human touch. Please read what I, a former elder, wrote. Redemption is just that; a snatching away from utter separation from God and a second chance-sometimes a chance to bring down the idolatrous temple of a strange god and die in the process while you stand there blind and in shackles-but restored by God. I read it Daily and Journal too. Be the one who is loving and kind in the midst of sorrow, showing us that you trust Jesus to bring something beautiful out of this pain. It is the private hotel rooms that can be dangerous. This is Uncharted Territory for them. Reminds me of Bill Gothard and how he gromms and re-grooms his victims too. Seems like a lot of marriages in and around WCC have some awful secrets. My bad. This does not quite add up. Does it lend itself to the overall problem? Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. He would be better for a while, and then get physical again. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. Note how often those being accused are the old dogs, gone or soon to be gone from the public eye anyway. And worse, to make rock stars of them? Give, and it will be given to you. I wonder if you would say the same thing about a small church in rural Indiana or is it only the big churches that are the most important? The church and association are no longer paying Hybels a salary or other payments, according to the report, but a binding retirement agreement is still in place until 2020. Have you read the stories of the great persecutions of the early church. And his successor (and successors drinking buddies/dudebros) ended up causing a civil war that broke the kingdom apart. I treated my childhood dog like a doll. I dont understand the focus by this and other commenters on when did she tell her husband. You had a bad leader, and a bunch of elders who were unwilling to accept that, and call him on it. Willow Creek is its own worst enemy not Satan. Please join me in praying for WCC, the victims, and the leaders. Most of the folks who comment on this blog are of that stripe in their comments, they express a great concern for ministers and ministries who appear more concerned about their mission than the Great Commission. Paint her as crazy, vindictive, or loose. He describes how skilled offenders select, set up, groom, offend against, re-groom and then re-offend against the woman/women they target. Maybe hes just old. And then maybe they see it happening, confront the guy, he says understood and suddenly you and your husband are out of a job. (Hoping they picked the right winning faction). 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[a][b] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.. The news of the divorce came as a shock to many, as the couple had always seemed to have a strong and healthy relationship. Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Its the whole structure of the godly pastor on stage week after week. Willow Creek has run many many seminars teaching other churches how to impliment the Williow Creek model. Including the Ortbergs. Is Bill Hybels still married? The Devil is destroying yet another church. The whole manipulation tactic is a brain gamer based upon the receivers cognitive dissonance. To fellowship with other believers? Rob Bells questioning of Hell has earned him a spot on the heresy list. What woman who may have had a relationship with Bill, but are now married, would want their name and reputation trashed? Those of us in the pews and on staff are at fault. But David and all Israel beginning at Davids own house bore the consequences of the sin. Worshipers of men. I dont have any memory of doing and saying those things to her that night!. he is still a . If you arent a hugger, you arent a hugger. As a p.s. Because you put so much trust and admire a leader like Hybels, your first instinct is to dismiss anything off about them. Wife Bill Hybels married his wife in 1974 when Bill was a youth pastor. Thats how they get by with it. This reminds me of Bob Packwood, a former senator from my state. Statement removes all doubt, in my opinion, regarding serious sexual sin and leadership issues at Willow Creek Community Church as it comes to Bill Hybels. This makes my blood boil. And us adults have to learn not to be so easily snookered by evil experts masquerading as wonderful people and pass red flags along to children. By your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned Jesus Matthew 12:37. Then the man of God acts as if nothing happened.. Give me the bellicose jerks any time. So done. Membership Covenants . If you think they dont see our sin, you are fooling yourself. In the book, Turn the Ship Around David Marquet writes: Leadership should mean giving control rather than taking control and creating leaders rather than forging followers. Power is at the top but information is with the hands-on bottom levels of a hierarchy. Bill Hybels touched me, hugged me invited me to his room I left then went to my hotel room and cried.. The Aurora from TSO Photography on Vimeo. We sat under their leadership at Willow Creek for several years.. Dee and Deb, if you are able, can you please let Vonda know about my previous comment? The church is now thriving with new leadership, honoring Jesus instead of greedy indiscrete nepotism. They dont feel like telling anyone, just swallow it and hold it in. I do and I wont allow this pathetic attempt to hurt another. Christian vs. Jew I have scolded him & tutted at what hes said & jokingly just gone go on , get out of here, but Id never tell his wife & risk that blowing anything in their family up. I have been doing this for 9 years and that is jus plain baloney. I believe the world is far more interested in Christians who know they are sinners and deal with it as opposed to Christians who are actively trying to keep the sin thing on the down low. Brads comments only serve to make me wonder how many people worship Hybels instead of God. Bill has been married to Lynn Hybels since 1974. The old Soviet government arrested and jailed Christians. I cannot imagine the pressure that your sister is experiencing. (1 Cor. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+5&version=NIV, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. -Behaviors went on for many years I double dog dare every Creeker to demand to see a detailed budget. I know this because I have experienced it myself. Ask yourself If we are to judge on actions that are listed as sin or are considered crimes, then what does this really mean. That is not old school. God is always present, even in the hard and dark times. So grateful for this much-needed emphasis this weekend. Amnon: I WANNA TAMAR! Yet, the faith grew in the midst of these awful circumstances. How many women would even dare come forward after being called liars, drunks and suicidal? Sounds like at least some of the accusers would like to see justice for sure, but also redemption for even Hybels. 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