On both occasions we flew on a Monday afternoon flight from East Midlands, with a Monday evening return flight. All are 5 star but slightly different. For 2016 we had booked Champagne & Chocolates for the flight (it was our anniversary) but we had to ask the Hostess where they were and they had to go and get them for us. Registered address: Wigmore House, Wigmore Lane, Luton, Bedfordshire, United Kingdom, LU2 9TN Would be looking at this place again for next year. In the evening the French kicked in properly as the a-la-carte restaurant. Oceania was fantastic, we ate breakfast at Provence every morning. Eating in Flavours (adults section) was also a pleasure, we do enjoy the free and easy picking your own style, especially when it has a huge choice and so well presented. There is a small but well stocked bar down near the beach and one for the Dulux guests by their pool.. Olivia: The main hotel bar was excellent with an outdoor seating area overlooking the main pool. The second Ikos resort is also in Halkidiki, Ikos Oceania, opened in 2017, but it wasn't a new property or asset, it was just revamped to be aligned with the style and offerings of Ikos Olivia. breakfast at Flavours; Anayas ambience was out of this world; and the Beach Club was splendid!) Beautifully air conditioned but the main strength of this resort is the amazingly helpful and interactive staff. Consequently the Olivia is a much larger, spread out site; with lovely gardens, olive trees and flowers (the Olivia had flowers etc too, and looked lovely, but just didnt have the large grounds to make it as effective). Very calm shallow clear water, nice breeze, very well kept even the sand is sieved for stones daily! They had several different activities from football to tennis to visits to the playground. They should perhaps highlight these sort of evenings when you book in.Olivia Was part of a stand-alone building set between the beach and the lagoon pool and overlooked the watersports area of the beach. FOOD/RESTAURANTS:Overview:If you are coming to either Ikos for the quality of the food and drink I can promise you that you will not be disappointed. In short, will we go again? A marvellous holiday, great football academy for the kids and a comfortable sunbed always available by one of the many pools. Take the car out. In 2018, two more Ikos resorts opened, Ikos Aria on the Greek island of Kos, and Ikos Dassia on the island of Corfu (where we stayed last September). It was really nice to get out and eat some proper local Greek food. DESTINATION INFORMATION. It never feels crowded or that people are waiting for sun beds, however! The gym is particularly well equipped and comes with a cardio training room and TRX to boot. Consequently its a more compact site. The pools are all nice, and we. Technologiko Ekpaideutiko Idrima, Thessalonikis . This means there is an extra restaurant and a Wine Bar. This is our second time at an Ikos resort (the previous stay being at the Dassia), and we had high expectations as a result, which the Oceania fully met. On both holidays we took watershoes and made good use of them, if only to avoid burning our feet on the very hot sand! The main pool is also lovely with an excellent swim-up bar option. The ocean room suite was perfect: very comfortable beds, a large number of amenities. If youre not in the pools or spa, then youre likely to be enjoying some of the activities on offer whether its tennis, canoeing, paddle boarding or something else. Expect 24 hour room service, branded spirits, private pools and private balconies galore. Coupert automatically finds and applies every available code, all for free. There are lots of water sports and private excursions you can add on as well if you so desire. IKOS OLIVIA Accommodation Explore For timeless elegance and endless views Double Room A unique and contemporary hideaway, offering spectacular views over the vivid Aegean waters or the sun-kissed Halkidiki countryside. Introduction. Treat yourself to a body scrub, a deep-tissue massage, or aromatherapy at Oceania Spa, the onsite spa. Oceania has a large number of steps and lifts and Olivia none. There are 5 la carte restaurants onsite as well as Flavors, the Mediterranean buffet, and a small handful of bars including an adults only one! IF YOU WANT A FIRST CLASS HOLIDAY WITH FIRST CLASS SERVICE THIS IS THE HOTEL FOR YOU. The beach is literally a part of the resort, with the main buffet restaurant, Greek and Italian sitting right on the edge of the sand. Again, selection, quality and service excellent all round at both. We ended up at the main pool as we didnt want to be around people who thought that was an acceptable way to behave. Italian. As the resort is based on the side of the hill it's quite a steep decline to the beach, but not to worry as the 'Grooms' are always on hand to give you a lift on the electric buggies. The Infinite lifestyle concept strikes again! The paddle boat was a big hit with us. We ate breakfast/lunch there a few times and it was very comparable to the French in terms of selection/quality (i.e. Its 420 metres long and fully serviced for guests, although again it isnt a sandy beach. We recommend calling ahead to confirm details. Both our 4&6 yo seem happy to be in kids club particularly our 6 yo who seemed to want to spend her entire time there. If you are a resident of another country or region, please select the appropriate version of Tripadvisor for your country or region in the drop-down menu. You can definitely see the brands Infinite lifestyle concept at play here. Nea Moudania Front Office Manager Ikos Resorts Dec 2013 - May 2016 2 years 6 . One of the standouts about Odisia is the 10 heated swimming pools on offer, which includes a Deluxe Collection pool, adults only, as well as kids and baby pools for the little ones too. What are some restaurants close to Ikos Oceania? We ate in each of the restaurants and at the buffet and the food was perfect in all of them. Youll find all the old favourites here, including Anaya, Fresco and Ouzo, as well as new restaurant Elia traditional Greek cuisine family dining. There are a few steep inclines but the buggy service was a big help! Ikos Oceania May 2016 - Jan 2017 9 months. Babies and toddlers benefit hugely from experiencing new places and it's great for families to spend this quality time together outside the home. Would highly recommend it. We had a couple of glasses of wine and ate some nice snack food (all in the price) while sitting on some comfy seats. I was offered his bike, but the saddle height adjustment on this bike also needed tools. The Local Discovery options are fantastic at Porto Petro, thanks to Mallorca being an island so rich in culture and gastronomy. Payments made by partners impact the order of prices displayed. Ikos Oceania. Lytchett House, Unit 13, Freeland ParkPoole, Dorset, England BH16 6FA. Overlooking the small infinity pool and the ocean beyond. On both occasions there were just a small handful of people staying at the hotel from the flight, so no mass queues as we have experienced at other hotels. On both occasions we booked with Thompson-First Choice (Thompson site in 2015 and First Choice site in 2016 as that was the only one with Ikos Olivia). Again, this will completely come down to your individual preferences. Love the U tube channel on the TV can get all your favorite old programs, just a slight hitch in the streaming occasionally. Wed definitely recommend mountain biking down to the town of Estepona if you can its a beautiful 10km ride down the coast. We visited Ikos Oceania to celebrate our mothers 60th birthday with high expectations - and I have to say that Ikos surpassed them all. All went smoothly on both occasions. Which popular attractions are close to Ikos Oceania? It was the last week of the season the hotel was open before closing for winter. There was one dine out option at the Oceania in 2015 (free 5 min shuttle bus into Nea Moudania) and two at the Olivia in 2016 within walking distance from the hotel. Call our Luxury In The Med Concierge Team now on 0800 810 8174. This review is the subjective opinion of a Tripadvisor member and not of Tripadvisor LLC. We had a number of very lovely meals there accompanied by some excellent wine. Kids Ikos Olivia promises a memorable stay with lots of fun for all the family, in and out of the water. never had a problem finding pool beds to use. Does Ikos Oceania have an airport shuttle? The Infinite Lifestyle Dine-Out program offers guests the opportunity to enjoy the authentic menus offered by local. Its located on the gorgeous, sun-drenched island of Mallorca and promises to offer a Balearic experience like no other. You can see our separate guide to the best Sani hotels for families for a look at how they compare. Opened in 2015, the Ikos Olivia was the Ikos chain's second resort to open in Greece. We had a south-facing end bungalow with no first floor bungalow above us; in an excellent position on the west side of the resort, close up to the deluxe accommodation (we could see their pool and just about see the beach). Local Restaurant/Dine Out optionBoth hotels also offer a dine-out option at no extra charge, where you can eat at a local taverna. The beach offers something a little different to the norm with a handful of secluded sandy coves alongside the Porto Petro Marina. ).At the Olivia in 2016 it was a similar arrangement except that you didnt need to go anywhere; you just phoned the Restaurant Booking extension from your room after 8am. The beauty of Ikos Oceania is the sheer choice of entertainment. The waiters in all the restaurants and bars went above and beyond themselves, friendly all the time. Beach bar was a great lunch place and the pool bar in the Deluxe area was also great for cocktails, milkshakes and snacks. But overall a hotel we plan to return to. The manager of the restaurant was mortified and although it was not the hotels fault, insisted that we put the dress in for dry cleaning at the hotels expense. It just lacked a little atmosphere.Olivia Conversely, we loved the Italian here. This hotel is being re-furbed over winter, so will be interesting to see the improvements (the hotel is in no way faded, the management are re- configuring the offering). We brought it up the reception and it was handled very quickly and we didn't have a recurring situation. Enjoy the vibrant nightlife - shows, music and dancing - or simply relax with the refreshment of your choice in one of the fabulous indoor or outdoor bars. That goes for any of the all inclusive resorts. I now know of Walking tours I can day trip so that works for me and my wife enjoys the adult pool and French restaurant. My wife and I (only) stayed at the Ikos Olivia from 20th June till 4th July 2016. There are many fantastic reviews about both these hotels, so rather than just add more of the same I thought I would do a comparison of the two as we have been to both now on successive summer holidays. 2K followers 500+ connections. EXPLORE. We managed, but I did have to unplug the lamp to free up a socket for our use. It was just WOW! Nea Moudania All Inclusive Family Resorts, Hotels near Olympic Hot Air Balloon by Halkidiki Tours. The spa was wonderful! I think the resort can afford better beds for children. Aria stands out from the others thanks to its stylish, boho character that reeks of laidback cool. It is more prevalent at the Oceania where they have created an underwater boarded pathway over the coral that takes you to the sand bank that sits after it. At the Oceania in 2015 we had to go up to a desk near reception on the first morning after arrival to book which speciality restaurants we wanted. We had originally only booked in there on one evening andf had book the dine-out option twice, but had such a nice time that we swapped one dine-out in order to dine-in at the Greek. Weve rounded up each resort and broken them down into their individual assets and things to consider, so youll be able to make a decision on the one thats best for your family. We usually paddle out to the sand bar and the kids get a real kick sliding into the clear waters. While your littles ones are being looked after, youve got the option of heading to the spa which is particularly impressive thanks to its Ionian sea view and the incredible steam room and sauna, amongst other facilities. Can't say the Asian cuisine was all that authentic but who goes Greece for Asian anyway? This does mean that reservations are required at every restaurant for dinner, given that there is no buffet option. The hotel is clean and of a high class. Nearby attractions include Potidea Channel (4.7 miles), Ekklisia Panagia Korifini (1.4 miles), and Church of Agios Georgios (4.8 miles). The bikes were good quality and the guys at the hire desk were helpful and informative. And for an incredible sea view and an other-worldly beach, Ikos Olivia, Oceania and Porto Petro come out on top. See more questions & answers about this hotel from the Tripadvisor community. His culinary career is marked by experiences shared with famous chefs, training in prestigious restaurants and eventually, the arrival of his own Michelin-starred restaurant, Terre-Mer. This is an excellent arrangement whereby the local big all-inclusive hotel gives something back to the smaller community businesses. I understand they may now have put a direct-access lift in to this restaurant now, perhaps to make it feel a little bit more high quality and not an annex of the main buffet. Room types may vary. He even sought us out the following day to make sure everything was alright and to ensure we got the dress cleaned.More. Its the one aspect that I think could be improved on in terms of the all inclusive experience as we have been to a number of Caribbean resorts where the watersports are more or less all included in the price. only downside is the evening entertainment still slightly sub cruise ship standard. My son and I are fussy vegetarians but there was plenty of variety so we never got bored. OUTBOUND TRIP: Also in Halkidiki, although around 20km down the road from Ikos Oceania, is the stunning Ikos Olivia. Same stops on the way back.INBOUND TRIP:All went smoothly on both occasions. On both occasions we flew on a Monday afternoon flight from East Midlands, with a Monday evening return flight.OUTBOUND TRIP:All went smoothly on both occasions. Ikos Resorts Hospitality Nea Moudania, Halkidiki 18,772 followers The best all-inclusive Resorts in the World by TripAdvisor's 2022 Annual Travellers' Choice Awards . Claim your listing for free to respond to reviews, update your profile and much more. Interiors-wise, each resort has its own feel but we think Aria and Odisia both truly knock it out of the park for chic sophistication. Lobby Bar Open daily: 09.00 - 02.00 Beach Bar Open daily: 10.00 - 18.00 Main Pool Bar Open daily: 10.00 - 18.00 After visiting aria last year Im now hooked to the ikos chain! As always, the kids clubs offerings cater to children aged between 4 months and 17 years and babysitting is also available. The bed was very comfortable, the shower great, food was excellent and the staff were amazing. The Russian guests were SO RUDE to the staff it was unbelievable. Are any cleaning services offered at Ikos Oceania? Some lovely menu choices with excellent wines to accompany, we had an excellent meal on every visit. Ikos Oceania has been welcoming Booking.com guests since Sep 8, 2009 Most popular amenities 2 swimming pools Free WiFi Beachfront Free parking Non-smoking rooms Spa Airport shuttle Fitness center Tea/Coffee Maker in All Rooms Bar Property Highlights Top Location: Highly rated by recent guests (9.4) Breakfast Info Buffet The Helios bar is on the same floor a little nearer to the Theatre and so from that perspective didnt offer anything much different. When at the Oceania in 2015 were sure it was cheaper, we hired a boat from them for 2 hours and were pretty sure it didnt cost the 250 Euros that they wanted in 2016 at the Olivia.ON-SITE ENTERTAINMENT:Daytime:A good and varied programme of sport and exercise but VERY unobtrusive. Transfer from Thessaloniki Airport SKG to Ikos Olivia. Journey to the lavender fields and villages of southern France at this beautiful la carte restaurant. We'll be back soon! Really lovely, as was the food. Like all the Ikos resorts, children are exceptionally well catered for with the same universal childcare offerings at the kids clubs and babysitting. I came back this May to the Olivia and was keen to enjoy the standards ikos chain (Oceania, Olivia and Sani Beach - although this is a half board hotel) seems to have mastered by trying this relatively new hotel. Very chic, very Mediterranean, youve got the choice of almost 320 rooms, bungalows and suites at Porto Petro including a 3-bedroom suite option which we havent seen at the other resorts. The service is unreal and when they say all inclusive they mean all inclusive. Size The Local Discovery experience is offered at all the resorts but we think Ikos Oceania is probably one of the best at this mostly as theres so much to see in Halkidiki. We were treated like kings and queens from the moment we arrived to the moment we depart. No delays. Events At Ikos Resorts, we make sure events of all sizes are a complete success and your experiences are truly memorable. A special mention has to go to the delightful lady who helped us to check in on the night of Tuesday 25th October 22 & the very pleasant gentleman who helped us with our suitcases on arrival and departure (so sorry we didnt note down your names! There is even waiter service on the beach for food and drinks. It's been a while since we wentbut here's what has stuck: Restaurants - French was the best - breakfast, lunch and dinner. It could be that it was very hot (mid 30s into early 40s) and the bungalow was very exposed (south facing, no first floor), but it never seemed to get to the minimum 18 degrees we had it on. East Midlands is a nice smaller airport with easy access off the M1. For example, having been to the Oceania in 2015 and sampled our favourite cocktail (Espresso Martini) we found that it wasnt on the revised list for the 2016 season (they like to change things up a bit each year). At the Oceania in 2015 we were so hungry on arrival that even after the provided sandwich, we ordered in that night! YES!!!! . East Midlands is a nice smaller airport with easy access off the M1. Their four a la carte restaurants and Mediterranean buffet restaurant cater for a wide range of tastes. While there arent as many swimming pools here as at some of the larger resorts, the spa pool is truly beautiful and definitely worth a visit. (and not for the last time that holiday!) Our room was humble although if you're willing to pay more I am sure it gets more luxurious. We had a couple of glasses of wine and ate some nice snack food (all in the price) while sitting on some comfy seats. We will be back (already booked at the sister Olivia hotel for this coming year)! Having been spoilt with our boutique hotel experience at the Oceania, we were a little disappointed with the location, or at least we were on our first evening visit as our table overlooked the door out from reception to the main pool! From the beach cleaners to the senior management team, all are focused on customer service, attention and satisfaction. Short distance, across a small road, to 350m-long sandy beach 1km to Nea Moudania and harbour, with a selection of tavernas, cafs and bars YOUR BOARD BASIS All Inclusive Breakfast Lunch Evening Meal Drinks Snacks Buffet breakfast, lunch and dinner. The Italian was the least impressive for us and had a more rushed atmosphere compared to the other 2. The quality of wine and cocktails were sublime. As its short-haul there is no meal and they offer you paid-forThere are many fantastic reviews about both these hotels, so rather than just add more of the same I thought I would do a comparison of the two as we have been to both now on successive summer holidays. Join to view profile Ikos Resorts. Both the 2015 room and 2016 bungalow had excellent bathrooms and good facilities (more on the room service later!). And now over to the island of Kos in Greeces Dodecanese archipelago, and we find the gorgeous Ikos Aria. OUTBOUND TRIP: Overlooking the crystal blue Aegean, the luxurious Ikos Oceania is located 30. minutes from Thessaloniki International Airport.The highlight of this stunning setting is the 350m long natural sandy beach, fringed by pines, olive groves and cypress trees. The food was very good, with an excellent choice of wine to accompany Asian food.Olivia Is a purpose-built stand-alone building in the north-east corner of the resort, just up from the French and main pool. It enjoys a massive 60 acre plot and there are just fewer than 400 rooms and suites to choose from. After a few days if we werent on the beach we spent our time at this pool, so consequently we often ate breakfast and lunch there. The menus at the speciality restaurants have all been designed by Michelin Star chefs who have been out to resort to teach the local staff. We stayed in early October - it is still very warm in the daytime but gets quite cool in the We stayed at the Ikos Oceania for a week towards the end of October with our teenage son. Each resort is well geared up for young children and the staff are all very friendly and welcoming with them. Andalusia is one of the newer Ikos resorts and was their first opening in Spain (now followed by Ikos Porto Petro). No one goes around shouting for you to join in and all but the water polo takes place in locations away from the main areas (i.e. If youre after a smaller, more compact feel, then Ikos Olivia or Oceania are both good shouts. Ikos Oceania is one of the smaller resorts with 290 rooms and suites, and it does feel a little more compact versus Ikos Dassia, for instance. , . A private garden never goes amiss with toddlers either. Definitely consider booking a room with a sea view if you can. This is the big question and one that probably warrants its own individual blog post. I would recommend it to everyone. We had a couple of glasses of wine and ate some nice snack food (all in the price) while sitting on some comfy seats. On both occasions we flew on a Monday afternoon flight from East Midlands, with a Monday evening return flight. The Greek restaurant was also great in the evening on the single occasions we sampled. Spa - inconsistent service level. Indulge in aromatherapy, a massage, and a body scrub at Ikos Spa by Anee . Ive never had so much high-quality food and drink on offer so freely in my life! They had a well-stocked mini-bar with branded mini 50cl bottles, juice, cola, lemonade and water. We spoke to a number of people who did this and it was no problem.Main Buffet restaurant: Oceania This was located inside the main building, with some tables (adults only) having window views over the ocean. Yes, pets are typically allowed, but it's always best to call ahead to confirm. Plenty of active pursuits are on offer too, including an introductory diving lesson, power beach walks and even Giant Chess. The pools are stunning and the staff are to attentive, white sandy beach and amazing friendly staff poolside and in the restaurants. It was quite expensive as well (certainly at the Olivia), for example it was 60 Euros for 15 mins on a jet ski/bike for 2 people. For 2016 we booked for the two of us to have access to the Escape Lounge (42 total). And, of course, theres always the famed 24 hour room service to take advantage of! The food is amazing and so are the drinks, its lovely to be served food and drink whilst laying on the beach. On both occasions we booked with Thompson-First Choice (Thompson site in 2015 and First Choice site in 2016 as that was the only one with Ikos Olivia). Tripadvisor performs checks on reviews. Save some energy for the nightclub too . There are five restaurants and the brand new Food Hall concept, which offers buffet breakfasts, international cuisine corners and la carte dinner service. Although luxury is the name of the game here as at every award winning Ikos hotel there is a different vibe to enjoy at Odisia thanks to the low-rise buildings and incredibly chic and sophisticated interiors. They also flatly refused to book the speciality restaurants and would simply turn up on spec demanding a table. The indoor-outdoor pool at the spa is also a fantastic option. To be honest there was nothing really that inspiring. As always at Ikos, the beach is serviced spectacularly, but prepare to be slightly underwhelmed by the beach itself. TRAVEL DETAILS: There are buggies you can call to chauffeur you about too. Yes, dry cleaning and laundry service are offered to guests. 4,175 reviews. Ikos Oceania is renowned for its high-quality dining. Service - everyone, from the bar team at the Deluxe Pool, to the scuba instructor to the restaurant staff were super friendly and helpful. Book Ikos Olivia, Gerakini on Tripadvisor: See 4,176 traveller reviews, 5,364 candid photos, and great deals for Ikos Olivia, ranked #1 of 12 hotels in Gerakini and rated 5 of 5 at Tripadvisor. All of the Ikos resorts are fabulous for kids and they all offer the same level of childcare options with a crche, Kids Club and Just 4Teens options. There is a charge for the crche but the older clubs are free of charge. I should mention there is coral at both beaches. Improve this listing Property amenities Free parking This is an ideal base for exploring the region, located on the gulf. at the sports facility, etc). Greek. Room - Deluxe Junior Suite Sea View, good size for 3, balcony overlooking the Deluxe pool and full ocean view. We stayed in October on a 2 weeks vacation in Ikos Oceania. My husband and son played football, tennis and table tennis and I did a couple of yoga classes which were great. 5-star luxury property by the sea. DVD CD , /. Again the food was very good, with an excellent choice of wine.Greek:Oceania Was located close to the main pool and up from the beach via a steepish flight of steps. ), which is then transmitted by wi-fi back to the bar where someone prepares them and then delivers them to you within 5 minutes (longer for food of course). As for which is the best for kids, that will probably depend on your family and individual children Ikos Olivia, Andalucia and Oceania are all on the more compact side, which means less walking for tired legs. if your family is bigger. There is a single entertainment team that work between the Oceania and Olivia on alternate nights performing the same set of shows. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. CW Room 3117, This is the version of our website addressed to speakers of English in United Kingdom. Its definitely worth reserving a car (free of charge) for the Local Drive Adventure one day. It has a private sandy beach, various swimming pools, a spa, tennis courts, a kids club, 5 restaurants and 295 rooms. To have a car for the day as part of the package is an excellent idea and one we really enjoyed. My wife and I (only) stayed at the Ikos Olivia from 20th June till 4th July 2016. 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