That incident, along with another alleged unintended discharge involving a Milwaukee officer, prompted the department to recently announce it intends to take the P320 out of service for its officers. Before the guide rod/spring change we were having a lot of stove pipes. $55.00. I am shooting reloaded ammo. Right. Still, it's incumbent on us to follow up our reviews with some of the reported problems and legal actions affecting the P320. On 6/21/2017 at 8:36 AM, IDescribe said: Sig P320 X5 Case Separation and Extractor Loss. Service your Sig P320 pistol with quality OEM and aftermarket parts/components to ensure a solid performance . Legacy slides will have either an internal extractor or a short external extractor. If this were a car, a phone, a refrigerator, it would have been recalled long ago. Also some sport pistol at 132. P320 Sear Group Housing Assembly. First I have no problem with the Mk 25 or any other Sig thats metal. Post again when you buy a real gun that you can defend yourself with. The current allegations, then, are different, claiming that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. Im more of a DS9 guy. Maybe you got one by the same people. In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. I agree that Glock is sitting on their laurels and has been for decades. Who knows. The fact that Shatner was doing Wrath of Kahn meet and greets at 90 years old kind of soured me. Training and experience are not a talisman that magically prevents accidents. My elderly aunt drove her Volvo into a parked car, and the yard behind it, and the house behind that, while she was pressing the brake as hard as she could. Strangely the car kept accelerating, almost as if she were flooring the gas pedal. It's a little disappointing because I was a huge fan. That prompted Sig Sauer to issue what it. Should arrive today or tomorrow. But they addinsult to injury by a"funneled" cut a good 1/8"-3/16" in from the chamber face. The Glock fails on both counts. Sig P320 Extractor Problems, www.SigForum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/150601935/m/7630095024?r=7630095024#7630095024. Fact is most SF carry what they want and the Marine Recon I know very well who has friends in that community told me many in the Navy NSW program still carry the Mk 25, they don want a striker fired pistol that can hydrolock in water. Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? I have read on forums where the factory swapped the extractor and made another change to add more tension on it. I still own them all. It was a weakend case, and the gun was fine after I repleced the extractor with a spare I had. Thanks. I've heard a couple of cases of this. JavaScript is disabled. But this time, the sound bites used were different. A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. No problems since. And thats just my opinion. I have never had to have one serviced or replaced. Sounds like these officers and others are attempting to cover their posteriors. TACTICALRELOAD-The 4 to 6 week time frame was given to me by customer service rep. Steel casing ammo much better off in polymer mags. Over the top, hammy and with incredible choleric energy, but as he once said, when you trying to seriously sell a scene that has space ship with obvious carboard walls, christmas lights and a guy in a rubber gorilla suit with a plastic horn on its head, if you play it lowkey youre dead the audience is gonna focus on how cheesy it all is. But Shatner? They simply have never been seen in the upper echelon of handgun makers, their entire business model is to offer cheaper guns at cheaper prices. The Government mandated it to be made more safe to use and was. Todd started as a news correspondent with NHPR in 2009. Bagnell said he thinks the discharges are due to both design and manufacturing flaws on SIGs part. You arent a gunfighter, either. Born date on box is 8-18-2016. Personally they should have gone with the Glock, its not for me but is a proven gun. So far I have only heard of one instance (post fix) where there was an ND and the post mortem on the gun demonstrating a mechanical failure. Theres also an un-named Texas gun shop manager who says a P320 fired as he cleared the weapon, blowing off one of his fingers. The Defiant regardless of who is the captain. Sounds like most of these cases were off-body carry. Not just police in US had issues with sig p320. It might only take a little bridging in the powder drop so that a cartridge gets an extra .2gr. Zero in the affirmative. Every weekend guns blow up running high pressure calibers like 9mm Luger loaded with super fast powders that are meant for low pressure cartridges like .45. But when you set a gun down on a table, and the damn thing goes off seconds after you let go, that sounds like a defective gun. There goes 1/3 of the shooting season. In 1982 the G17 hit the market and in 1983 they gave 30,000 pistols to the Austrian military at cost. They received it on 1/10/2018. The Sig P320 XTen (bottom) has the same feel and general dimensions as the full-size 9mm P320 pistols (top). 1) The p320 doesnt hold the striker fully to the rear. After some research, it appears the P320 Compact 9mm (and only the P320 Compact 9mm) has a known problem w/all weights of Blazer Brass. He said there has to be something wrong with the gun if this is happening to individuals with this amount of training, this amount of skill.. It somehow moved to the hinges of the desk. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. I dont care about the upgrade that should never happen. But 2 hour drive to the Fedex hub. The X5 I borrowed will release out of battery, if you were into the lands and released out of battery that'd be a pretty big problem. Completely cleaned and lubed? I call Sig hoping to send it in for repairs, they told me to try different ammo. Being highly trained doesnt eliminate stupidity. I'm relatively convinced that it's fixed. He wanted TTAG to convey that hes pro-Second Amendment. So I see this asa manufacturer issue not an ammo issue. If yours doesn't look like that in some way, you probably have a problem that is going to need to involve Sig CS. I have no idea. BrianEnos.com When he opened the drawer the hinges pulled the Charters trigger. (chamber area) and checked for spent shell retention. Please Wait. USA. It that does not work, I will either send it back to Sig or ditch the gun and go back to Glock or Smith & Wesson for a striker fired handgun. Now when you lose your grip on lawn mowers or snow blowers they will not keep travelling foreword all by themselves. ! only reveals ones immature emotional attachment to an inanimate object, which reveals a pretty childish worldview. Today on Tactical Fellowship! So your fanboy perjorative falls not only flat but false. He wasnt aware of it until contacted earlier this week by CBC News and suggested it was relevant in ongoing litigation in the U.S. We look forward to reviewing the incident in discovery in the United States, he said Friday. While good firearms training and practices among law enforcement officers is certainly the case much of the time, weve seen far too many instances over the years of un-safe or downright dangerous practices by allegedly highly trained individuals to apply that kind of blanket endorsement to all cops or alphabet agency employees. Thats fine. While this incident occurred months ago, this erroneous media report is driven by multiple sources, including our competitors, and coincides with the imminent release of other Canadian military and law enforcement tenders, indicating the timing of its release is an attempt to improperly influence the procurements, the statement said. Dude, your story is THREE years old. The round went downrange so nobody was hurt. Their visceral hatred for that which they see as competition to their little golden calf god and their blind, myopic, childish self-identification with an external dynamic is hilarious! BrianEnos.com I have had some self induced issues with feel since trying to go full length guide rod, 15# 1911 spring and Apex trigger. UPDATE:We were just made aware of YouTuber BoomStick Tactical who produced this video the day before our post published. I wont argue theyre wrong, I dont own one, dont want to. If you aggressively load a too-long mag into the pistol that doesn't hard-stop on the grip frame, this WILL happen. But Im observant enough to see the same voices that said in 1985 that This new fangled Glock is a just a plastic toy! PDs are dropping them from contracts. I expect a handgun to run anything I put in it, within reason; I do not believe expecting the gun to run with steel case to be unreasonable. They are plaintiffs versions of what they say happened. Note the addition of ominous background music in the second seven-minutes-longer version (there was no music in the Good Morning America version). So i finally sent in my 320sc for the upgrade. In the latest lawsuit, plaintiffs allege that the newer-version of the P320 can also discharge when dropped or struck from certain angles. If not sorry and GL! Same problems. Bagnell told TTAG that he believes the problem with the striker-fired P320 is an inadequate sear/striker connection (he has images he says illustrate this on his website). You're never supposed to admit to shooting reloaded ammo when contacting customer service! Right. They have similar vertical sear engagement, but the M&P has more engagement width wise. (It wasnt my gun). Give me a break. Upload or insert images from URL. . Yeah, I guess I learned that the hard way. Fair enough. I continue to bet my life on them. Like others said I never had a problem before this. The networks report didnt mention lawsuits filed by LEOs (or anyone else) against other gun makers claiming similar alleged design defects. I still love my Sig so I really hope everything works out. Finger on the trigger and muzzle discipline are sometimes unheralded. There are several stories about her in the news for various no reasons, she must be throwing them out by a dozen. I dont own a Glock or a SIG and am not a fanboy of either. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Because its flat out bull**it. I popped it in and headed down to the shooting range. Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. Sigs bid was low because they were still pissed after being beat by Beretta in cost. As far as ships go, Im drawn to the original movie vessels because they look the most, to me, like something youd really see humans build in space in 300 years. Before they got to it. Get a dead trigger when the striker breaks. The Milwaukee police department has had 3 incidents of the Sig discharging while being in a holster sitting in a patrol car in 2023. I was tempted to buy one at one time but no more. Repeat Failure To Eject malfunctions with a Sig P320 .40 destroy my end of year competition scores:/ Life's too short to be working a gun that's working against. The gun has a total of less then 500 rounds through it. Maybe its a technical issue, maybe its a training issue. I dont consider the drop-bang issue a failure and Sigs response was actually above any real need, except to perhaps deflect any easy wins for slime ambulance chasers I get that. People of the Gun are probably familiar with the early problems the P320 had regarding drop safety. If it were the guns, there would be thousands of cases involving citizensbut there arent. That could happen easily. There was no holster involved. 3 disaster is true and if it is Sig will go all out to cover it up if it was. You cannot paste images directly. They wouldnt have adopted it if was. Clear editor. The sear cams it back a teeny bit. Period. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/. This is what happens when you go with the lowest bidder. I'm hoping this was a fluke due to a really weak casing - if anyone has any other thoughts please share. Yeah, what he said . The truth is the absolute WORST semi-autos that Sig, H&K, Walther, Beretta or Glock makes today are more reliable than the best semi-autos made 40 years ago, by far. Additionally, you will find what the users currently experience with this product. Viewing from the top down, there is a hole in the top of the slide with a roll-pin installed in the hole. After watching a friend get killed by a Remington 700 by another friend and the ensuing fallout 31 years ago I decided that I didnt care if the P320 was fixed, it was getting sold. The Moron engineer who decided to put that on the Glock should have been hung by his dirty balls. The fact the ammo didn't bother other guns is irrelevant, since every round is, essentially, unique. Interestingly the barrel looks different. Then without any extra effort, the normal trigger pull caused the tab on the drop safety to sheer off. It was one of the first ones and was sent back as a voluntary upgrade. Im looking into an aftermarket barrel that at least doesn't have that funnel cut nonsense, just a standard chamfer, for a little more support for my own peace of mind. Theres a couple of possibilities. Keep the phrase legal momentum in mind. It provides another example of how the gun free zone purportedly keeps people safe by not only keeping guns away, but by requiring more discharges nearby. Got a 40 SW P320 SC on my hip now, got one in 9mm within reach, so far neither has decided to trip the sear without my help. I sold that pistol when I got it back. First off, no joke on me. Your previous content has been restored. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. This is the goal of those who would disarm us at the Post Office, as we take little Yevgeniy or little Shaquina to school, as we fulfill our civic responsibilities as jurors to judge our peers, as we travel to and through less free jurisdictions. The Glocks lack of a manual safety has caused untold thousands of needless cripplings and death. Its difficult to believe thats a coincidence. Trying to categorically say Brand X is better than Brand Y! Hello perpetrators, Lee Paige is clearly the gift that keeps on giving though our buddy Hunter Biden is a close second! It was at that point that I knew the gun had a design flaw. This summer, the gunmaker prevailed in a suit involving a Hillsborough man who claimed his P320 discharged without a trigger pull. Once springs loosened up a bit, fill it to the rim. Remember also that with a handful of notable exceptions, modern firearms do not just go off, no matter what is later claimed by those who may be held responsible. Paste as plain text instead, Your support makes this news available to everyone. All chasing that pot of gold at the end of litigation.. Not that big of a stretch when considering the lawyers beating the bushs for clients to add to the lawsuits, and the fact many of them will lose their jobs if its proven to NOT be the gun, but instead negligence on their part. Sig p320 Max potential extractor issues I found a good deal on a p320 max and was hoping to pick it up, but while doing my due diligence, I came across quite a few posts with people having bent extractor issues. You can post now and register later. The Military versions of the P320 are designated the M17 and the M18. The one officer in the ABC story had it wrapped in a rag in his gym bag? When I got it back it was ammo fussy for about 600 rounds. LIGHT LOADS? The most common problems with the SIG P320 AXG Scorpion are FTF issues, ejection and extractor problems, slide rattle issues and RSA issues. If the latter were to occur, the drop safety would prevent discharge because it would not be pushed up by anything. The cost of settlements will be passed on to us. He holds a masters degree in public administration from Columbia University. Canadas highly-trained counterterrorism force, JTF-2, is the only military unit with the SIG P320 in its inventory right now. Thanks for reading. To me it was unreal, $600 to ask a question about WOK and a picture. In a straight up Glock vs. Sig battle, the United States Marines chose Sig, and that was AFTER watching the P320 perform for four years. Thats SIGs term for a recall. Effectively: you must be this dumb to get this job. Would you? I'm giving that a try. And the fact they used real models, and big ones, gives the ships a real sense of heft, mass, movement and solidity that the garbage CGI ships of the new movies just cannot remotely compete with. Right up front, the use of an ill-fitting/improper-for-the-gun holster instantly negates any idea of an unintended discharge being the fault of the design. The nose of the extractor does appear to be peened slightly, but this may be normal. Fired case is extracted about a quarter of an inch. Will this issue get better or should I be contacting Sig? Its also interesting that theres apparently no corresponding flood of civilian lawsuits against SIG with similar claims of guns going off, even though the public owns far more P320s than do law enforcement agencies. There are 18 other similar incidents claimed in the lawsuit. You can feel the point when it binds, or sticks, even when manually operating the action slowly May 2 . 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